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stamenflicker · Dec 13, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

A suggestion that might make disgruntled Anguish players happy would be to up the team from 8 to 12 players one weekend. Maybe repeat it a couple of times a year.

With 12 people on the team, the drops would be worse per-person, so the hard core gamers couldn't complain that folks are in there reaping all manner of rewards that they worked hard for on an 8-man team.

The whiners (like me) might actually be able to finish in under 3 hours and still put their kids to bed with a hug, a kiss, and a bedtime story without feeling like they are abandoning their team to certain death.

The unskilled players might actually make it past the first mob.

The PvE players could get their Razah (maybe) and be done with DoA.

The sadists would have their abuse back on Monday at noon.

It seems like a reasonable compromise to me.

lyra_song · Dec 13, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by stamenflicker

The masochists would have their abuse back on Monday at noon.

Just a small correction.

Malice Black · Dec 13, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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The unskilled players might actually make it past the first mob

DoA isn't for unskilled players...sorry but thats the truth.

Clone · Dec 13, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Frankly, I'd be fine if it went to 12-man on a permanent basis. It might make me actually interested in the place.

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Originally Posted by stamenflicker

The PvE players could get their Razah (maybe) and be done with DoA.

This is kind of a telling statement, and a general feeling I've got from most of the people I've talked to. They want to "be done with DoA." I think there's a bigger problem here if a majority of players have become disinterested in an area thats not even a month old.

Malice Black · Dec 13, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

12 man would halve the difficulty..then DoA would turn into another ToPK.

lyra_song · Dec 13, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

12 man would halve the difficulty..then DoA would turn into another ToPK.

Not neccesarily.

There would still be groups going in groups of 8-9 to gain more loot.

Having a 12 man limit doesnt mean you have to have 12 people in the party.

Clawdius_Talonious · Dec 13, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I like the idea of a twelve man weekend, although I'd like to see it in AB instead of DOA, however DOA could use something like this as well. But in AB it would be nice to form a twelve man coheisive group instead of being randomly teamed with eight other players (yes, I am aware that heal party and such would have an unbalanced nature in such an event, but that woudl be part of the fun of the weekend)

a 12 man DOA group weekend would be nice though, then a couple guildies and myself could take our heroes out as a viable alternative to other players.

Clone · Dec 13, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Not neccesarily.

There would still be groups going in groups of 8-9 to gain more loot.

Having a 12 man limit doesnt mean you have to have 12 people in the party.

Indeed, this seems to become the standard pretty much everywhere else. Use as few people as you want for a challenge. And if giving the people the option of more slows its current decent into ghost town status, why not let them.

Navaros · Dec 13, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

What they should do is make DoA be 12 men permanently and then have "8 man DoA weekends" every couple of months.

Scutilla · Dec 13, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

In my experience, ANet only messes with the party size if they're considering changing it permanently, like they did with Heroes' Ascent. From what I've read, they intended it to be an 8-man area and are satisfied with it being an 8-man area, so there's no reason for them to consider increasing the party size to 12.

lyra_song · Dec 13, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

I think the questions are.

Will having 12 people make it easier to get into a group or harder?

Will people just want another monk/nuker/tank ?

midnight caretaker · Dec 13, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

/signed

worth a try,from what I have seen on this site and friends opinions in game maybe there would be more than 2 or 3 districts and more people would play this area. I mean thirty lv 28s vs twelve Lv 20s would still be considered elite right?

Antheus · Dec 13, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Adding 12 people will just make 12 people wipe at first mob rather than only 8.

DoA takes skill. The rewards are by now know to be meaningless, or at least worth merely a bit more that FoW/UW rewards (which is basically lots of xp).

Do the DoA for challenge, or don't.

And comments about group sizes. With only few exceptions, all the groups you fight have 6 mobs. For the 3 or 4 groups that are indeed larger than that, the terrain is just demanding body blocking and agro management.

Kenagalaz · Dec 13, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

shouldn't be necessary since the area wasn't designed for a 12 team.
also reconnects should help alot.

stamenflicker · Dec 13, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Scutilla

so there's no reason for them to consider increasing the party size to 12.

Except for the reasons I mentioned. I don't think doing a 12-man weekend a few times a year is going to do anything except up the participation rate on those weekends. Thats good for the community, and good for Anet.

Who knows, maybe a few people would enjoy it enough and make enough new friends to stick around and form groups after the weekend was up. Like I said above, it wouldn't be hurting the hard core players that much. Gem prices might fall a little, but people shouldn't be ripping off the noobs like that anyway.

And anyone who thinks having 12 won't help, isn't really thinking. With more players to spread the damage around, an extra healer and an extra support player (like a weapon rit, a command paragon, or a choking gas ranger) would make all the difference in the world, especially with two additional damage dealers attmepting to hold aggro. One of the primary reasons that otherwise good builds (like ineptitude/clumsy mesmers or energy surge mesmers) don't get a shot in DoA is that you're trading off specialization skills for the increased damage per second you get in an ele or warrior.

aohige · Dec 13, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

If they increase the size to 12, then Dunkoro and Razah can join in with Tahlkora in our group.

Poor Tahlkora... we abuse her too much.

GloryFox · Dec 13, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

A 12 man might let an Assassin Dervish or a Paragon into the Group.

Eviance · Dec 13, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

I don't think that a 12man weekend would be that bad. It is ONLY for a weekend and you are still going to have people who can't complete the area anyways. I think it would help people to get a better feel for the area without so much stress and rage. Then it goes back to 8man and they have to remember what they learned and adjust!

I don't think it would "hurt" anything.

stamenflicker · Dec 17, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Eviance

I don't think that a 12man weekend would be that bad. It is ONLY for a weekend and you are still going to have people who can't complete the area anyways. I think it would help people to get a better feel for the area without so much stress and rage. Then it goes back to 8man and they have to remember what they learned and adjust!

I don't think it would "hurt" anything.

At this point it is more about getting in an out in less than 3 hours. I don't have that kind of time even if I find a good group to play with, which is becoming less and less likely with each passing week.

Monks find good groups. And it appears that ele's do also. The rest of us just have to get lucky.

3 hours is too long for a mission that doesn't forgive mistakes. It's a simple risk vs. reward formula, and it doesn't pay out what it demands. I have small kids, so I can't even attempt until after they are asleep (8-9 o'clock). If I am lucky and get a good group in the first 20 minutes of looking, then I'm fighting sleep long about midnight--- tired = hurry, coupled with frustration and mistakes.

Getting in an out in half the time would be grand.

xiaotsu · Dec 17, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by stamenflicker

The PvE players could get their Razah (maybe) and be done with DoA.

That's all I want from DoA, but I still don't want it to be easier to get him. If people want him, they'll work for him. They don't deserve him without working for it.